{"id":9456,"date":"2003-06-07T19:49:48","date_gmt":"2003-06-07T17:49:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/theologie.whp.uzh.ch\/apps\/gpi\/?p=9456"},"modified":"2025-04-28T15:26:07","modified_gmt":"2025-04-28T13:26:07","slug":"what-kind-of-prayers-did-jesus-pray-john-1715","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.theologie.uzh.ch\/apps\/gpi\/what-kind-of-prayers-did-jesus-pray-john-1715\/","title":{"rendered":"John 17,6\u201321"},"content":{"rendered":"<h3>WHAT KIND OF PRAYERS DID JESUS PRAY? | Exaudi |1st June 2003 | John 17,6\u201321 | David Zersen |<\/h3>\n<p>Recently Jesus has\u00a0been getting a lot of press. There have been headlines asking \u201cWhat<br \/>\nkind of car would Jesus drive?\u201d (\u201cnot\u00a0a gas-guzzling SRV,\u201d say environmentalist advocates) and \u201cWhat<br \/>\nkind of stocks would Jesus buy?\u201d (\u201cnot AOL Time Warner<br \/>\nand Disney,\u201d say the \u201cfamily-life\u201d proponents&#8211; Time,<br \/>\nMay 19, 2003). Although the Evangelist John was not among those being<br \/>\nquoted in recent press releases, he apparently sensed what readers<br \/>\nneeded to hear in writing the material used for this Seventh and Last<br \/>\nSunday of the Easter Season. One might caption his article \u201cWhat<br \/>\nkind of prayers would Jesus pray?\u201d As with the first two articles,<br \/>\nyou could be surprised about John\u2019s description of Jesus\u2019 prayer<br \/>\nlife&#8211; and specifically about his petitions for you and me! What John<br \/>\nsays about Jesus\u2019 prayers will make you sit up and think a great<br \/>\ndeal more than current American \u201cprayer talk\u201d does.<\/p>\n<p>American prayer life has acquired, to mix a metaphor, substantial superficiality.<br \/>\nWhen someone experiences a problem, it\u2019s common for people to say,<br \/>\nespecially in the parlance of folk piety, \u201cwe\u2019ll be praying<br \/>\nfor ya\u2019ll, hear?!\u201d Whether such prayers ever take place or<br \/>\nnot cannot be answered with certainty. Even less likely is the prospect<br \/>\nthat all the prayers recently advertised for American soldiers on marques<br \/>\nat every bank, hamburger stand and car dealership ever took place. Golfing<br \/>\nbuddies, dropping off a distraught member of the foursome at his house<br \/>\nafter a terrible game in which he missed the shot of a lifetime, cheer<br \/>\nhim on hilariously with \u201cwe\u2019ll be praying for you!\u201d The<br \/>\nsuggestion of prayer has become a pious way of expressing our care for<br \/>\na person, but often there isn\u2019t much content attached to the concern.<\/p>\n<p>In another era, Peter Marshall, who became famous in the two years<br \/>\nhe held the position of Chaplain to the United States Senate (1947-49),<br \/>\nonce told a touching story of his widowed, praying Scottish mother. Long<br \/>\nafter all the household chores were completed, Marshall said that there<br \/>\nwas one thing he knew about his mother with certainty. She knelt every<br \/>\nnight at her bedside and prayed for, among other things, him! There were<br \/>\nfew things in life, Marshall later wrote, which impacted him as powerfully<br \/>\nas the fact that every night his mother went before the Lord in prayer<br \/>\nfor him. It is this kind of image that John is sharing in the lesson<br \/>\nthat has been saved for the last Sunday of the Festival Half of the Church<br \/>\nYear. Those who chose this lesson for us wanted to be sure that long<br \/>\nafter we had been exposed to the account of the crucifixion and resurrection<br \/>\nand the commissioning of the disciples, we get to hear Jesus praying<br \/>\nabout us and for us. Just as Peter Marshall never could forget that his<br \/>\nmother took his needs to God in prayer every night, so we can\u2019t<br \/>\nhelp but be impressed with what John remembers hearing Jesus say about<br \/>\nhis followers in prayer. If you asked 300 people \u201cWhat kind of<br \/>\nprayers did Jesus pray?\u201d you would probably not get John\u2019s<br \/>\nanswers.<\/p>\n<p>PUT THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE<\/p>\n<p>John remembers Jesus\u2019 praying that God would \u201cnot take<br \/>\nthem out of the world but preserve them from the evil one.\u201d It<br \/>\nis of course too easy to suggest that over the centuries, millions of<br \/>\nthose who went into monasteries missed Jesus\u2019 intent here. Regardless<br \/>\nof your religious tradition, it would be valuable to understand that<br \/>\nthe first Christians who took up monasticism in 4th Century deserts did<br \/>\nso because after the Edict of Milan (313), at least according to Eusebius,<br \/>\ntolerated Christianity, discipleship in the urban centers came to be<br \/>\ntoo self-understood and \u201ceasy.\u201d Many felt that those who<br \/>\nlived in the cities had abandoned the battles with the evil one, succumbing<br \/>\ntoo readily to temptation. They didn\u2019t think of themselves as escaping<br \/>\nthe world.<\/p>\n<p>It might be helpful to consider how such ease continues in our Christian<br \/>\naccommodation to the evil one today. We exercise the option for escape<br \/>\nnot by heading to monasteries or weekend retreats or moving the family<br \/>\nto a commune in West Texas, but by ignoring the realities of temptation<br \/>\nor restructuring immorality. Some years ago, Denmark reported that it<br \/>\nhad reduced the number of criminal offences by a substantial percentage.<br \/>\nThe discerning reader quickly learned that the reduced crime rate had<br \/>\nresulted from decriminalizing a number of offenses. Something similar<br \/>\nis happening in the United States today. For example, parents increasingly<br \/>\nseek to water down punishments for their children in high schools because<br \/>\nsuch information may look bad on their records when they try to get into<br \/>\nelite universities. U.S. News and World Report (May 26, 2003) reports<br \/>\nthat \u201cthe consequences of no consequences can be worse, however.<br \/>\nTo raise a trophy kid, the focus is often on grades, the SATS, the Ivies,<br \/>\nrather than moral development. The trade off: No conscience, no sense<br \/>\nof remorse, accountability or empathy.\u201d Clearly, this is the very<br \/>\nescape from the world in which no battle is done with the evil one.<\/p>\n<p>There is a shabbiness to this new American immorality which stands<br \/>\nexposed by John\u2019s story of the cross and empty tomb. It was no<br \/>\ncheap grace which allows Jesus to talk about having his joy completed<br \/>\nin his followers. Facing head-on the complacent forces, the enormous<br \/>\nodds, of those who call for status-quo, those who want the well-worn<br \/>\nstyle of easy peace, overruled temptation and acquiescence to immorality,<br \/>\nJesus sets his face toward Jerusalem with its enormous \u201cNO\u201d to<br \/>\nhis invitation to accept alternative approaches to peace, integrity and<br \/>\njustice. For the \u201cjoy that was set before him (Heb. 12:2), he endured<br \/>\nthe cross, despising the shame, and now is seated at the right hand of<br \/>\nGod.\u201d It is this joy which Jesus has in mind for us as we claim<br \/>\nhis resurrection victory and make bold decisions over against the temptations<br \/>\nof the evil one. We are in the world, although not of it, and we dare<br \/>\nnot ignore evil or pretend that choices are not real. With the joy set<br \/>\nbefore us by the One who daily gives us strength and confidence, we willingly<br \/>\naccept challenges in the most ordinary places at work, in human relationships,<br \/>\nin school, at church. We are stunned that Jesus does not pray that we<br \/>\nbe given the means to escape challenges and temptation, but that our<br \/>\nfeet be put to the fire. We may be the \u201cblessed meek,\u201d but<br \/>\nwe are not allowed to be cowards. Disagreeing with the Nissan Maxima<br \/>\nadvertisement which says \u201cThe Meek Shall Inherit the Passenger<br \/>\nSeat,\u201d Christians are willing to take the driver\u2019s seat!<br \/>\nThat\u2019s what Jesus prays for!<\/p>\n<p>LET THEM SEE ME AND YOU TOGETHER<\/p>\n<p>Another of Jesus\u2019 petitions is equally surprising because it<br \/>\ndemonstrates more insight about us that we have about ourselves. The<br \/>\nhistory of Christianity is a story of divisions, but nowhere in the world<br \/>\nhas the diversity of religion become as rich as in America. Politically<br \/>\nand ideologically, one can attribute this to the First Amendment with<br \/>\nits non-establishment clause. Once it became clear that government would<br \/>\nnot be allowed to legislate religious matters, movements sprang up to<br \/>\nexpress every spiritual insight that can be named. Additionally, however,<br \/>\nthe diversity in America emerged from a \u201ccan do\u201d pragmatism<br \/>\nwhich finds new solutions for ever dilemma. Christian Science (with its<br \/>\nmind over matter Gnosticism) and Seventh Day Adventism (with its sabbatarianism,<br \/>\nand vegetarianism) are examples of \u201cAmerican\u201d religions which<br \/>\narose to address loopholes in spirituality for which there were no existing<br \/>\ntheories. I teach a course in the History of American Denominationalism<br \/>\nand it is a challenge to decide whether the rich and confusing Christian<br \/>\ndiversity that emerged on American soil is a triumph for freedom or a<br \/>\ntragedy for the unity of Christianity.<\/p>\n<p>Jesus prayer that \u201cwe might all be one just as I and the Father<br \/>\nare one\u201d is poignant and challenging in this regard. Would it be<br \/>\nbetter if we had only a State church (and, thus, a semblance of unity,<br \/>\nbut perhaps not as much vitality) or is there a means for Christians<br \/>\nto celebrate unity in the midst of existing diversity? On the one hand,<br \/>\nit is clear that many religious groups that were formed by immigrants<br \/>\nfor the purpose of maintaining language and ethnic heritage remained<br \/>\nisolated minorities. As \u201cAmericanization\u201d united such groups<br \/>\nover the centuries, mergers took place to remove distinctions. Lutherans,<br \/>\nfor example, who once had 150 synods, now have only three. Episcopalians,<br \/>\nPresbyterians, United Church of Christ and some Lutherans have \u201cfellowship<br \/>\nagreements\u201d allowing them to recognize the validity of one another\u2019s<br \/>\nministries. Gradually, a growing consensus is apparent\u2014although<br \/>\nsometimes splinter groups continue to form at the edges of the mainline<br \/>\ngroups, defying any movement toward unity. It would seem that the real<br \/>\nissue, if one takes John\u2019s overall vision of Jesus into account,<br \/>\nis not that organizational and structural unity is of such importance.<br \/>\nIn a nation of immigrants in which Christians are divided. because of<br \/>\nobvious and enormous cultural and ethnic heritages, it seems more important<br \/>\nthat we learn to appreciate our ties as disciples with the Master who<br \/>\nprays for us. How interesting that Jesus asks us to observe him and his<br \/>\nFather together, in their oneness.<\/p>\n<p>Christians have historically put more emphasis on maintaining clarity<br \/>\nand purity in teaching, leading to endless disputes about who had the<br \/>\ngreater clarity. It is worth remembering that Christianity grew phenomenally<br \/>\nin the first century because pagans were astonished at how much Christians<br \/>\nloved one another&#8211; and that it declined precipitously in the seventh<br \/>\ncentury when it was too severely divided to resist the simplicity of<br \/>\nIslam. Jesus knows us too well, and he prays that we see him and his<br \/>\nFather in their oneness and imitate it, not argue about it, split hairs<br \/>\nabout it, prove that we\u2019re right. We\u2019ve done enough of that.<br \/>\nThat\u2019s what Jesus prays for.<\/p>\n<p>HELP THEM FIND THE SECRET PATH<\/p>\n<p>Lastly Jesus prays that his followers might see themselves \u201ccalled<br \/>\nout, set apart, holy.\u201d \u201cSanctify them in your truth,\u201d he<br \/>\nprays. It is a wonderful insight, and an important one to enunciate clearly.<br \/>\nSome have perceived this \u201csanctification\u201d to mean moral uprightness<br \/>\nand, unfortunately, when taken to extremes, sanctimoniousness. We all<br \/>\nknow about Holy Joe and Pious Sarah. They can only lead us to pharisaism.<br \/>\nAdditionally, we should remember another problematic interpretation from<br \/>\nthose involved in the radical Reformation of the 16th Century. They understood<br \/>\nthe New Testament Greek hagiazein to require a departure from society,<br \/>\nrelinquishing the structures of government and established church to<br \/>\nform a consecrated people who were defined by their separateness. Many<br \/>\ncommunal groups that came to the United States in the 1700s had such<br \/>\nintentions. The Amana Colonies in Iowa and the Amish in Pennsylvania,<br \/>\neven the Quakers, represent such interests still today. However, Jesus\u2019 first<br \/>\npetition in this prayer seems to speak against such separateness. His<br \/>\nprayer is not that we leave the world but that within it we become the<br \/>\njoyful, peculiar, unique, set apart, consecrated, holy people. This is<br \/>\nnot a call for arrogance, but for vision. Those who know that God sends<br \/>\nthem into the world with a task keep their focus on the One who loves<br \/>\nthem and empowers them. In their relationship with him they find their<br \/>\nway through the morass of choices, too many of which have dead ends.<\/p>\n<p>In D.H. Lawrence\u2019s play David, Jesse, David\u2019s father, explains<br \/>\nto his son, Eliab, why the spiritual solution to confusion and dead ends<br \/>\nis better than the military solution:<\/p>\n<p>My son, the heart of man cannot wander among the years like a wild<br \/>\nass in the<br \/>\nwilderness, running hither and thither. The heart at last stands still crying:<br \/>\n\u2018Whither, Whither?\u2019 Like a lost foal whinnying for his dam, the heart<br \/>\ncries and<br \/>\nknickers for God, and will not be comforted. Then comes the prophet with the<br \/>\nother vision in his eyes, and the inner hearing in his ears, and he uncovers<br \/>\nthe<br \/>\nsecret path of the Lord, Who is at the middlemost place of all. And when the<br \/>\nheart<br \/>\nis in the way of God, it runs softly and joyously, without weariness.<\/p>\n<p>Lawrence makes a valiant plea for the role of the Other, the Alternative,<br \/>\nthe Transcendent, the Different One who calls us outside of and beyond<br \/>\nourselves to discover what we cannot find on our own. It is in and through<br \/>\nthis Other, through God himself that we are enabled to discover the secret<br \/>\npath, the right choice among the false ones, that is the truth.<\/p>\n<p>Jesus\u2019 petitions are powerful and personal. He doesn\u2019t<br \/>\ngive us a \u201chigh five\u201d and promise, as he disappears, \u201cI\u2019ll<br \/>\nbe praying for ya\u2019ll, hear?!\u201d He who broke the barriers of<br \/>\ndeath and established life\u2019s continuous future goes the whole length<br \/>\nof the road with us, praying that faithful followers will be able to<br \/>\nkeep their feet to the fire, lay claim to a unity more powerful than<br \/>\nmere cries for distinctness of beliefs and nimbly traverse the wilderness<br \/>\nof life on the secret paths of God. Here is Jesus concerned about our<br \/>\nfuture, our daily walk. It is an image left for the last Sunday of the<br \/>\nChurch Year when we now leave behind us all the great acts of God in<br \/>\nChrist celebrated at Christmas, Epiphany, Lent and Easter and walk the<br \/>\nlong road with all its choices and decisions. It is future fraught with<br \/>\ndanger, yet filled with opportunity. It is excitement worthy of adventurers<br \/>\nin the driver\u2019s seat of life. How exciting to know that Jesus has<br \/>\nforeseen every turn in the road and is praying for us!<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><strong>Dr. Dr. David Zersen, President Emeritus<br \/>\nConcordia University at Austin<br \/>\nAustin, Texas<br \/>\n<a href=\"mailto:dzersen@aol.com\">dzersen@aol.com<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>WHAT KIND OF PRAYERS DID JESUS PRAY? | Exaudi |1st June 2003 | John 17,6\u201321 | David Zersen | Recently Jesus has\u00a0been getting a lot of press. 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